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S2 E6 with Micah & Delia

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Micah: Welcome everybody on this, uh, lovely Wednesday. Um, my name is Micah with Grey Box Collective and this is Any Other, Anythings season two. Um, we're super pumped to be back. I am here, um, with Delia and we are super excited to get the conversation rolling.

Delia, how are you today? How are you feeling? Uh, what's on your mind?

Delia: Mm. Um, I'm doing well this morning. I sort of rolled out of bed, um, and was like, oh, I get to start my day off by having a lovely conversation. So that's wonderful. From the

Micah: board trip. Honestly. Love that. And to be frank, I was the exact same way rolled out of bed this morning.

Micah: We're both on the East coast, so like it's definitely, you know, not as early as the West Coast obviously, but we know everyone is still in bed over there. So, um, maybe a little bit jealous. Uh, but yeah, lovely to, to meet you. Um, I know we haven't worked together. Uh, Worked with Grey Box, um, but um, haven't actually worked with each other directly.

Um, I am curious, like how did you get connected with Grey Box, um, and what has been your experience just in a bigger picture?

Delia: Yeah, so I really found out about what Grey Box does first because I had Molly as a professor, it was one of those like quarter semester classes. We didn't really get to chat and she didn't really directly, um, talk about what Grey Box was, but I got to experience how she, um, I like looking back, I got to experience how she works in a trauma informed way through that class.

And then as COVID was ramping up and things were happening in inside, I found out about the trauma informed creative practices trainings that they were having, the virtual classes. And so that's sort of what drew me in. I took all of those virtual sessions and then when.

Last season opened up. I submitted the little Google Doc to join and I haven't been able to participate in the work as deeply as I wanted to.

Micah: This is gonna be the season where I, um, am a little bit more hands on in a creative process. That's awesome. That's awesome. Sweet. So yeah, I know you mentioned, uh, I've always been really intrigued by Molly's, you know, vision and idea behind creating a space for trauma informed creative practices, which is, you know, what you kind of brought up a little bit later there.

Micah: Um, that's such an interesting phrase to me, and I'm curious as to like, what your thoughts on, on like what does trauma. Creative practice actually mean? Like how do you conceptualize that? How do you understand what that process is, um, and what the practice is for you?

Delia: I feel like trauma-informed, creative practices involves, um,

one, it's being in a space in which the way that you make the. Is essential to the, um, of the work. I think we're always in that space, but it's, um, that dichotomy is recognized and really intentional. Um, I come from primarily a, a dance background and there are a lot of times in dance creative processes at the very least.

Um, No, I think this has happened in my theater experience, this too, where you're asked to sort of dig up really personal experiences as a way to connect with a theme or a character, but then there isn't necessarily that care, um, enforced in that, in that process where you, you just sort of, you. Dig out these deep, um, painful things for the sake of the art.

And then, and then you just have to deal with it after. So I feel like mm-hmm. , uh, engaging in trauma informed creative practices is one. Um, if you are creating really personal, painful work, then it's setting yourself up. Not, not just open the wound, but then close the wound and be in the most sterile environment possible.

Or, um, it also gives permission for everyone to show up in a space where they're at for that day. Mm-hmm. , um, rather than this, leave everything at the door, um, type of mentality.

Micah: Yeah. Yeah. That's really cool. I I do love that. And there is something about, uh, I, I think that's been a conversation, especially throughout COVID that's becoming more and more prevalent.

Just the idea that it's really a, uh, like to what degree do we make art at the expense of the artist, right. And exactly what you. When we have something like this, um, like Grey Box Collective, a group that does trauma informed, uh, creative works. Uh, obviously when we're going through these processes, it's not, whatever it takes for the show must go on, right?

It's more so, um, We realize the damages that have been done. Uh, we realize that we all have our own struggles. And um, yeah, there really is a sort of meeting in the middle, a kind of understanding as far as a mutual understanding between all of the creative team as well as our collective audience. Um, that.

It's okay if things aren't perfect, it's okay if things are messy. Um, cuz that's how life is. Uh, it's imperfect, it's messy. So that's, I I really love that, uh, point of view. Um, I am curious, I know you spoke on the fact that, you know, you've done a few workshops with Molly and um, obviously that, you know, Molly was also your instructor.

I am curious, like, um, how was that experience? Cause I know a lot of the Grey Box team, um, has been very. involved with Molly in a performance way or as a director, but I'm curious as to how your experience was with her in, in the educational, uh, setting primarily so far. Hmm.

Delia: Well, I think that, um, I would say that the scope of that particular class, the college class, was necessarily. It was more of, um, make sure these people who are about to graduate have a plan for what their final project will be. Um, so that was, I guess it makes sense to me that that would be a, that Molly would be in because it's less. I have this knowledge and I'm telling you what to do with it. And it was more, um, of Molly creating the container for us to investigate what our own needs were for our mm-hmm. for this project that we were developing.

Um, and then in terms of those, the virtual training sessions, Taught by Molly, Chris, and,

oh my goodness, Sarah. I've worked with Sarah more than anybody, but for some reason

Micah: All good .

Delia: Um, yeah, so the virtual training sessions with Molly, Chris, and Sarah. Were interesting because the content was coming in, what was being shared, but it was also being coming in the way that it was being shared. So it allowed you or the participants to engage on multiple levels, sort of, um, the experience of how.

Space was set up, what steps we went through. You know, there was that very clear, we're all gonna check in, we're going to do some kind of grounding activity, body activity. There's this sort of warmup experience. There are opportunities to reflect throughout. So that structure was. Discussed as the, the learning objectives, but also upheld in the very way that they structured the time.

And that was really exciting because it just, yeah, it allowed a lot of different to get into the work.

Micah: That's awesome. I love that. I love that. Um, yeah. Uh, funny enough, I was just about to ask, speaking of check-ins, um, that's something that I really do appreciate as well. Again, really going back to the idea of meeting somewhere where they're at.

Um, I am doing this all outta order, but you know what? We live in the draft. Um, so, uh, I would love to just do a quick check in with you. Um, I know we, uh, kind of did a quick touch in at the very beginning, but, um, uh, yeah, if, I guess we're gonna make this a two-prong question, we'll say. Um, is there a favorite check-in that you've experienced, uh, whether it's within Grey Box Collective or with your experiences alongside Molly or just in life that you've experienced?

Uh, if there's a check-in that you really do enjoy or just something that really grounds you or warms you up whenever you're entering a creative space, uh, is there one that you really enjoy? Um, and if so, we'll use that warmup check in grounding activity, um, just as. Our check in with one another, um, as we continue to chat here.

Delia: Yeah, I think that the main Grey Box check-in that I've experienced has been, are there any need to knows or care to shares? I, I do like that phrasing because it, um,

It's not asking you to give more than information than you're willing to, which can be nice sometimes for that permission.

But this morning I'm thinking about a check-in that I have done in another artistic group called Breaking , where we would always start with what? What is something you need today and what is something you can offer?

Um, and it's always cool to see how naturally sometimes people needs and offerings line up and help us to come into the, the space with a sense of reciprocity.

Micah: Yeah. Yeah. I, I love that. I actually, I really resonate with the, the. The idea of offering something, especially in a creative space, um, there's, it's, it's sometimes a pretty delicate balance sometimes, uh, when you're being directed or coached or whatever, um, in a, in a creative space, especially, um, where sometimes it does feel like if you try something, And then maybe someone else in the space wants to try something else.

Um, it, there's, I don't know, there's these preconceived notions of like, oh, uh, okay, great.

We tried that. Now can we try this? Um, to like, there, I feel like for me there's always been some weird connotation of like, oh yeah, that wasn't good enough, so let's try something else. But I think the, the verbiage and the idea of making an offer instead is just like, Hey, here's something to give with no, with no repercussions.

Like, take it or leave it. It's sort of the idea that an offering really has, it's really gracious. Um, I, I feel like that's been a, a phrase in the creative space that I've been hearing more and more of lately, uh, that I really do, uh, appreciate and love. Um, and I think there is something really, uh, kind of caring and endearing about that.

So, Yeah, let's, let's, uh, let's do the checkout. I'll, I guess I'll, I'll take off. Um, uh, so wait. Okay. Do we prefer the need to knows? And, um, and, uh, oh my goodness, what's the other part? Care to shares. Care to shares. My goodness. As you know, this too green fart. Early mornings is, okay. , um, do we prefer that one or do we prefer the second one that you, that you mentioned?

Delia: Um, it sounded like you resonated with the, with the need and offering. I'm gonna do that one this morning. Switch things up.

Micah: Sweet. Okay. All right. I'm good for that. So, yes, what do I need? I feel like in this moment,

I, I think I need to slow down. Um, I have been going really nonstop for a very long time, um, and it is starting to wear on me and there's been a lot of things in my life that have been happening. Uh, had some family losses, you know, you know, and some of our other creative team and I have been working three plus jobs for almost a year now.

Um, and I love each and every one of these roles, um, but I am like, I'm definitely feeling the strain and I think it's time to let something go. Um, and I've been saying that for a couple months now. Uh, so I, I do, I do need to slow down, I think. Um, and really actually, cause I feel like one of my bigger regrets was not being able to visit my family.

Um, When, you know, before, before that family member passed, uh, back in July, um, which is when I had an opportunity to, cuz the rest of my family was going to see it. But I was so busy and I was so caught up in life that I didn't allow myself the opportunity to, uh, you know, engage, um, in that way. So that's been kind of sitting on me.

Uh, but then, uh, as far as what I can offer in this moment, um, Honestly, peace of mind. Um, I, I don't know why. Maybe it's the morning time, maybe it's how lovely this conversation is so far. But, um, I, I really do believe, uh, one thing I feel that my family is good at is, well, as I guess has been passed out on to me, is taking these things, what's, what's strides, um, and, and having peace, um, with what's happened. I realize that death is a natural part of life.

Um, uh, and there are as much as it sucks, um, you know, the way that my family sees it and myself included is like, we know she, I peacefully, um, in their sleep. So like that was a good thing. And then the other half is, I think in that piece, knowing that it was peaceful for my family, um, we also found peace in the comfort of one another when we got to see each other.

And now coming into a creative space, which is my primary function in this world as of now, um, uh, I find peace in this and in, uh, you know, My life experience, uh, as a creative. Um, so I think that that's one thing, uh, that I try to resonate and kind of share pretty frequently. So if you're stressed, I love helping calm down.

Uh, if you're already calm, then we'll stay in, we'll stay in a peaceful place, in a peaceful mind. Um, so I guess that's, that's what I like and that's what I have to. Sweet. Yeah. I'll kick it off to you. That was so long winded.

Delia: Thank you so much for sharing about where you're at because you know, you did share a little bit about that and or previous emails, but everybody has a super different process with loss and so Yeah, I, yeah.

Definitely had a very intimate and tenuous path with loss over the past several months. So, yeah. Um, let's see. I'm going to offer in this space, maybe to, it's funny because I think I'm thinking a lot about what my answer will be and how to, how to word the phrase that. I don't want to overthink my, what my response is in this conversation, um, that some, something along the lines of offering, like you said before, we, we exist in draft, so allowing my thoughts to come out, um, in draft and fully realized , um, and something I need,

feels like my needs are pretty much being met right now. So just sitting in that, um, investigation of. If, if those things shift and, um,

yeah. End of my thought.

Micah: No, I, I love that. Um, I, you know, it's, it's always so interesting where, um, we can be in a moment where we don't, you don't have a need in the moment. Like maybe there are desires, maybe there are wants, but. For the time being, all our needs are met. And I do, I love that. I love that, that mentality, that thought that that's a space that we can exist in.

So that's, that was really cool to hear as well. And thank you for receiving, um, you know, what I what I shared, um, with such grace. Uh, sweet, sweet. Um, so yeah, I just had a couple more things I wanted to kinda chat on and think on. Um, the next thing I wanted to kind of. Explore is, um, as an artist yourself.

Um, correct me if I'm wrong, you said you, uh, went to study dance, right? That's your background. And what are you currently pursuing that for a living as well?